Is this mod likely to resolve this and is it possible to delay the post by a few seconds to allow the drives to spin up to readable speed?
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kenfowler3966 |
Re: K7S5A in use again | ||
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My system now appears to be suffering from this problem, whilst it was perfectly reliable before. It has resulted since I swapped the second hdd from a 30gig to a 120gig. It seems to make sence that the bigger drive is pulling more power to start up than the old one, and hence no post. After 10 to 15 seconds with the hard drive lights lit on the case fron the computer will boot with the reset button, but is then occasionally reporting lost cmos and I have to input all the values manually. Works fine once booted, so I suspect the power supply which was adequate can no longer manage a start-up scenario?
Is this mod likely to resolve this and is it possible to delay the post by a few seconds to allow the drives to spin up to readable speed? |
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scubadude |
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In my experience the resistor mod effects only DDR DETECTION and has no effect at all on the cmos issue. I think that is a --good memory-- and slow timings issue. It is unfortunate because the memory is pretty stable once up and running. Why didn't they just loop the system for 1/2 of a second before doing anything... If it could be trusted...
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cunio |
Hi there,Re: Resistor Mod for K7S5A Pro (Rev: 5.0) | ||
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Hi there,
I have tried a resistor fix as proposed by yvrDave on (11/12/03 6:37 pm) on my pro (rev 5.0) board, but it didn't helped in cold boot (no post codes) and lost cmos problems. The board was preaty stable when I have used Duron 800 MHz CPU: no cmos losts, no cold boot problem. When Duron was repleaced by Athlon XP2200+ (Thoroughbred) I have noticed coldboot problems (no posts, wrong detection of CPU) and sometimes lost cmos problems. I disconnected all hardware except ati rage2c gfx and it didn't helped. I have repleaced PSU to 400W and no differences. I have replaced SDRAM by DDRAM - no difference. Once booted my pro board works perfectly! It seems that the pro board has problem with athlon XP detection. Cunio |
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honey X |
Re: Hi there,Re: Resistor Mod for K7S5A Pro (Rev: 5.0) | ||
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The problem was known before the XPs came out. If this would be true, this would mean it has in general problems detecting CPUs. Of course a higher power consumption will cause more fluctuations on the rails while powering on the system and therefore systems with faster CPUs, videocards and so on will suffer by this more than systems that are build just for office work.
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evetofte |
Will i work for K7SOM+ as well ? | ||
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I have the same problem with a K7SOM+ v 7.5, (lost CMOS) anyone know if this fix will work on this?
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javalino |
Will r"182 fix " fix my problem ? | ||
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Some day i was surfing on the net and my PC turns off, tried to turn it on , no results. nothing . so i figured out that my 450 W PSU was @#%$. So i buy a 500W (not truly 500W, 230W on 3v -5v and 216 W on 12V) and tried , with no results, this time the fans of PSU, CPU and V-Card are working but no boot/post, beeps, at all, only black screen, tried to reset CMOS tousand times and nothing.
I buy another MB ( an nforce2 ultra 400 - MSi k7n2 delta-L) and ALL(i said ALL) other devices and parts working great. So i know, the problem is with my k7s5a v1.0. but now my brother needs a PC, and he is very money @#%$, and i think i migth try to fix my ECs. This R182 fix may work with my problem ???? (maybe the master Honey X can aswer this question) |
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honey X |
Re: Will r"182 fix " fix my problem ? | ||
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If its really just a cold boot issue you will be able to get it booting by pressing the reset button a few times, but I guess your problem is worse and something got demaged. In this case no resistor mod will help.
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kryzzle |
Chipset stepping? | ||
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Guys, this is the most valuable source of information I was able to find on the net so far. I am going to test the fix this weekend and let you know of the outcome.
Just want to add my 2 cents on this: it appears to be a combination of PCB layout design and chipset design and/or production quality issues what we are facing. Cold boot Since the cold boot problem does not appear on all mainboards, it may have been fixed in later versions of the chipset. I was wondering if there's an easy way to detect the production stepping of the chipset without having to remove the heatsink. Maybe there's some set of registers available, which can be read using a simple tool? Anybody have any ideas? Memory detection This may be caused by wrong design and/or placement of the termination resistors of the memory interface, causing reflections on some data or address lines. Not an evidence for superior design quality Cheers, Kryzzle |
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yvrDave |
Re: Resistor Mod for K7S5A Pro (Rev: 5.0) - UPDATE | ||
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Here's an update of my attempts to mitigate the CMOS clearing problem on my motherboard during cold startups.
Attempt #1 (replacing 1.8V supply filtering cap): I was initially wondering if the problem was caused by a power supply sequencing issue. The 1.8V supply for the SIS735 chip has a very large capacitor on it (1500uF) so I was wondering if the 1.8V core supply was rising too slowly relative to the I/O supply (3.3V I assumed - don't have a datasheet for the SIS735 to look at). Some multi-voltage IC's care about power supply sequencing so I was wondering if this was the case here. I replaced the 1500uF capacitor with a 220uF capacitor. At first this seemed to work but after a couple of weeks the CMOS cleared :-(. I then tried a 150uF tantalum capacitor that I had sitting around in my spare parts bin. Same results as before, after a few weeks, the motherboard lost its CMOS settings. Attempt #2 (1.7V resistor fix): I put the 1500uF capacitor back in, returning the motherboard to stock condition. Using the resistor fix I lowered the SIS735 core voltage to 1.7 volts. This seemed to work. Then after about a month I quickly cycled the power on-off-on and lost the CMOS. The lower voltage appears to have raised the temperature at which my motherboard loses its CMOS. Attempt #3 (1.85V resistor fix): By putting a resistor in parallel with R274 one can raise the voltage supplied by the LD1117 regulator. This is the configuration I'm currently running and so far (almost a month) I haven't lost the CMOS (fingers crossed). So far, everything I have tried, corroborates what Mr.Athlon said. So, if you are experiencing the CMOS problem, definitely have a look at his web page: www.geocities.com/mrathlo...ipset.html About my system: K7S5A Pro (Rev 5.0) w/Athlon XP 2400 (barton) processor. 512MB DDR Ram. (The CMOS problem started showing itself after switching from 2x256MB of SDR SDRAM to 1x512MB DDR SDRAM.) |
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yvrDave |
Re: Resistor Mod for K7S5A Pro (Rev: 5.0) - UPDATE | ||
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Whoops!
Small correction to what I wrote previously. I said my processor was a: > > w/Athlon XP 2400 (barton) processor > I actually have an Athlon XP 2400+ with a Thoroughbred core (model 8, stepping 1, revision B0). |
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Milt |
Re: How do I solder? | ||
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Hi Dave,
I hope you are still hanging around, because you seem to be the ONLY person interested in this subject. My problem is that I believe that I need to raise the chipset voltage to be able to achieve a 166/166 with SpeedFan, from a 133/133 boot. (K7S5A Pro) Even using a Barton (166 MHz FSB) AND PC3200 Muskin (200 MHz), I only 'see' 166/166 for a second or two. So I assume it's the chipset that's holding me back. I'm thinking of adding a fixed resistor, and a pot, in series, to be able adjust the voltage as needed. Any suggestions as to the values of said pots/resistors??? Will a lower input voltage raise, or lower, the output volage? I'm selling off my fancy cars. Check this page... www3.sympatico.ca/oscarsok/CarsforSale.htm
My M810L v7.1a with Barton 2500+ at 3550+ members.lycos.co.uk/mmmaybee/Barton_2500+_at_2400MHz_Sandra_tests.jpg |
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yvrDave |
Re: How do I solder (raising the chipset voltage) | ||
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Hi Milt, sorry for the delay. I check once in a while to see if there is any new input but it been pretty quiet lately. My motherboard has also been behaving rather well since I increased the voltage so the need to search for a solution has diminished.
> Hi Dave, > >I hope you are still hanging around, because you > seem to be the ONLY person interested in this > subject. > I'd imagine that most people have probably moved on as the K7S5A is no longer a "current" motherboard. It looks like ECS has replaced it. Anyways, about raising the chipset core voltage: If you have a Rev 5 motherboard, the voltage is set through R273 (88.7ohms) and R274 (200ohms). The formula for calculating the voltage is: Vout = 1.25V * (1+R273/R274) You can increase the voltage by placing some resistance in parallel with R274. Here's a little table to give you an ideal of the range to cover: 4700ohms: 1.83V 2400ohms: 1.85V 1200ohms: 1.90V 560ohms: 2.00V |
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Milt |
Super! Thank You! | ||
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Dave,
Perfect! Exactly the info that I needed! Thank you very much! And very close to the values I was planning to run... based on what was sitting in my 'spares' box. Since I'm shooting for ~2.0 volts as a max, and would prefer not to accidentally fry my chipset, I was planning for two, 270 ohm fixed resistors in series, (so, 520 ohms) and those two in series with a 100K ohm pot (because I just happen to have a box with about 100 - 100K pots in it) On my REV: 5.0, there is one resistor (R273), on the 'Control Voltage In' leg (0.55v), and a second resistor (R274) that bridges the 'Chipset Voltage Out' leg (1.8v), back to the 'Control Voltage In' leg. So there is some kind of 'feedback loop' in here that I do not fully understand yet. My plan is to attach a couple of wires to the above mentioned 'legs' and bring the wires out to where it's convienient to work on. With your new info, it looks like I'll be making a trip to 'the Shack' tomorrow to pick up a 0 ~ 5000 ohm pot. As you say... "most people have probably moved on as the K7S5A is no longer a "current" motherboard" (and that includes me), but the K7S5A remains as THE most popular motherboard ever made! So there are a ton of then still kicking around, and they are SOOooo versatile that you can run damm near any Socket 'A' CPU in them, and virtually any memory you have kicking around, so you can build a box for cheap cheap cheap and give it away! That's the plan for this one... the GF has a birthday coming in July, but I get to play with her 'birthday gift' until then! I'm selling off my fancy cars. Check this page... www3.sympatico.ca/oscarsok/CarsforSale.htm
My M810L v7.1a with Barton 2500+ at 3550+ members.lycos.co.uk/mmmaybee/Barton_2500+_at_2400MHz_Sandra_tests.jpg |
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hi, does this fix have to be a 470ohm resistor or something close to it's resistance would not work? I don't have a 470ohm resistor but I have
somethign close to it.
shieett..couple days ago my computer takes a while before it hits the POST screen, now it won't even lid up and to the POST screen. |
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