I installed CheepBios but I'm having problems running my CPU at 133mhz or higher. With the official bios, it worked fine. I would like to try the Honey-X bios but I have XP using Apic now and I need a bios that supports it otherwise windows will not load. Don't want to reinstall again, so does honey-x support apic?
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Does Honey-X bios support Apic 24irq's???
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Does Honey-X bios support Apic 24irq's??? |
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Posts: 5 (12/27/02 23:17:05) |
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honey X |
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Posts: 1050 (12/28/02 00:52:18) Bios Magician |
Yes, it also supports IO APIC with 24 Irqs. I hope it will fix your problems but if not please report back.
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Tont99 |
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Posts: 41 (12/29/02 17:10:39) |
If you check my thread, I am having the same problem. Prior to enabling I/O APIC I was able to run my XP 2100+ at 143/143. After installing I/O APIC I can only run 133/133. I am using Honey X's latest release. (Not sure why this happened).
Bill :--) |
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honey X |
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Posts: 1050 (12/29/02 17:38:13) Bios Magician |
Maybe APIC is a limiting factor or it causes the system to produce more heat either in the chipset or CPU. Some hotspots maybe that require better cooling.
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Tont99 |
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Posts: 41 (12/30/02 07:45:03) |
I Poked around the system with a thermocouple, and I did not find any hot spots. The CPU runs at the same temp with and without APIC enabled i.e. 41-47 degrees C. I am considering:
1) Doing a repair install (I have not loaded SP 1 yet) and eliminating APIC in the bios, and thus reverting back to a point where I can overclock a bit. 2) If I cannot Overclock... Should I just rever back to the ECS official bios... (Does it support APIC?) Bill |
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Posts: 1050 (12/30/02 08:22:31) Bios Magician |
I meant hotspots inside the cores, not the system. The system uses different procedures and controllers inside the cores while IO APIC is used and this might cause "other than usual" hotspots there. The CPUs temperature for example is much higher inside the core than on the surface and some areas there become hotter that others but you wont be able to measure them, only the temperature on the surface. Btw, there is no need to do a repair install, just change the Uniprozessor HAL to the general ACPI HAL. Also, the official bios does not have IO APIC so you wont be able to use it. I could only enable this option for you in the official bios and you could try to overclock via software but i bet you will get the same results because I didnt change any present code in the bios to activate it, just added some more Mem+FSB settings into empty areas and made some hidden options aviable.
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Tont99 |
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Posts: 41 (12/30/02 08:33:26) |
Thanks Honey X for the reply above. I would liek to confirm the O/C hotspot theory of I/O APIC influencing the temperature By performing your suggestion of
"just change the Uniprozessor HAL to the general ACPI HAL" Can you describe how to do this within Windose XP. I assume the procedure would be: 1) Boot into windows (I/O APIC is enabled within the bios) 2) Change the "HAL" to general ACPI ==> This is what I am not sure how to do.. Pls fill in the blank. ---------------------------------------------------------- 3) Shutdown, reboot, change the bios to APIC disabled, and try overclocking again. 4) I assume one can now jump back and forth by modifying (2), or is this a one way change? Thx, Bill --) |
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honey X |
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Posts: 1050 (12/30/02 11:13:33) Bios Magician |
The procedure is exactly like you described it. You will find it in the control panel in the system properies where all devices are listed. Sorry I cant explain it more detailed but my OS is german. Nevertheless its quite easy like updating a driver. Just search for something with Uniprozessor and Apic.
Whats about the modem, I have no experience with them as Im using DSL and never tried to use a modem with this Mobo and also do not have one to try. |
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Tont99 |
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Posts: 41 (12/30/02 12:46:43) |
honey X: Thanks for the confirmation.
I'll give it a try when I go home today! Do you have a reccomendation on XP-SP1... I.e. Install it or not?? |
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honey X |
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Posts: 1050 (12/30/02 14:37:06) Bios Magician |
I dont like WinXP at all. It bases on Win2k and should be better than this OS but isnt. To much troubles with drivers and software for many people who dont have them with Win2k. Therefore I prefer to use Win2k as long as the apps are running on both and wont downgrade to WinXP. A servicepack is generally good to fix some issues but like many are saying you just replace the old known bugs with new unknown ones and you only should install it if you experienced some troubles with your OS. Im also not installing every patch now due a bad experience that resulted in no more trusting MS. They hurted my privacy with a patch and wanted to take control over my system. Therefore Im very careful with such things now and thats another reason why I wont use WinXP and am thinking about migrating completely to Linux in the future.
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Tont99 |
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Posts: 41 (12/30/02 18:09:51) |
Honey X
I agree with respect to the service pack problems. I ran into the situation that after installing SP1, and then enabling APIC, I lost my dialup connectivity. It turns out it was a known MS problem. I ended up reinstalling XP from scratch, with I/O APIC turned on... But now, I cannot Overclock the XP 2100 + as I coild prior to having APIC disabled. Well, I went home and I investigated your comment on looking into the system properties to turn I/O Apic on and off in the control panel. It is listed in the device manager under "computer" as "ACPI Uniprocessor PC", as you suggested. If one rightclicks this device, a standard XP window opens and shows the options "Driver Details" or "Roll Back Driver" or "update Driver". Under Driver Details, there exists 3 entries, the first one is C  Windows\hal.dll I believe this is the one you refer to and I should change to general ACPI HAL.I am not sure exactly how to do this, as it is not as obvious as "rolling back teh driver" since I/O APIC was installed fresh. Any ideas on teh correct procedure? |
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honey X |
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Posts: 1050 (12/31/02 02:36:50) Bios Magician |
Yeah, you found it. You shoud do the "update drivers" and select something like "ACPI-PC". Afterwards it will ask you to reboot Windows and then you should go into the BIOS and disable IO APIC but you can do it also later because the OS will also work with the standard ACPI HAL driver while IO APIC is enabled by only using 15 IRQs and sharing them. This way you can also check if IO APIC is limiting the OCing or the used HAL driver.
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Tont99 |
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Posts: 41 (01/01/03 08:17:03) |
Honey X... I will give teh update drivers a try...
This is quite an interesting result (assuming it works) as "Mr XP" on the MS XP forum states one has to do a repair XP install in order to toggle the I/O APIC Off. I'll try this technique (i.e. update driver) first. Regards, Happy New Year! Bill :--) |
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ali |
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Posts: 104 (01/01/03 13:06:16) |
Changing the HAL can prove hazadous to your OS, before you do so make sure you back up all your settings and files etc. as chaging it can screw the OS, resulting in a reformat/reinstall
-ali |
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honey X |
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Posts: 1050 (01/01/03 13:54:41) Bios Magician |
Yes this might happen but does not have to. At least there are a lot people here who got it changed this way w/o problems and I had also no problem with changing it on Win2k.
Btw, Happy New Year too. 
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Tont99 |
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Posts: 41 (01/01/03 17:00:15) |
Folks:
As it turns out, there was no way in win XP to change the "Hal" i.e. there are no options to move it it and out of I/O Apic enabled and not enabled. So, for now I guess I'm stuck as I don't want to go through the hassles of a repqir install. :--( |
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wd5gnr |
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Posts: 31 (06/15/03 09:30:03) |
You can get XP to find the APIC without doing any kind of reinstall. I just did it.
1. Turn on APIC in the BIOS (standard bios doesn't have this option). It won't hurt anything since XP will not notice it and the APIC can still run just like the normal PIC. That also means that Win98, etc. will still boot -- it just won't use APIC mode. 2. If you have a service pack installed, look in c:\windows\ServicePackFiles\i386 -- you want the file halaacpi.dll (note two a's halAAcpi.dll, not halapic and not halacpi). If you don't have service pack installed, you'll have to expand this off your XP CDROM. Copy the file to c:\windows\system32\myhal.dll (or some other name you aren't using). 3. Use attrib to make c:\ boot.ini visible: attrib -r -h -s boot.ini. Make a copy of it for future reference (maybe boot.ini.bak or something). 4. Edit boot.ini, copy your default boot line (probably starts with multi) to a new line at the end of the file. Make sure you have some reasonable timeout. On the NEW line, add /hal=myhal.dll My new boot.ini looked like this: [boot loader] timeout=5 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows XP Professional (APIC)" /fastdetect /hal=myhal.dll Yours might look a little different. Note the only difference is that I change the string to say (APIC) at the end and added the /hal option. 5. Backup everything (yeah, right). Really, I mean it. 6. Reboot the computer. Pick the new APIC entry when the boot loader screen appears. The computer will boot and detect new hardware (after you log in). Then it will ask you to reboot. 7. Let the reboot go normally. You don't have to pick the special boot line this time since XP has detected you have an APIC and will use it every time you boot now. Log in. 8. Put boot.ini back the way it was. You could erase myhal.dll if you wanted to at this point. 9. Open Device Manger. Select Computer, you should see ACPI Uniprocessor PC. Select View | Resources by Type, expand the IRQ tree. You should have 24 IRQs! 10. Enjoy 24 IRQ goodness! I don't know if this makes any real difference to anything, but I hate having a feature I'm not using. I guess I am a geek :-) I think you could reverse the process by using halacpi.dll instead of halaacpi.dll, but I didn't try it. Al Williams |
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ColdBurn |
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Posts: 41 (06/27/03 14:19:33) |
It's really a good guide but what is the most significant upgrade to the performance? More irq is great, and without reinstall even better.
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zero0w |
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Posts: 30 (02/02/04 03:58:04) |
APIC does not work with Linux, it halted the installer and I was unable to proceed to install Mandrake, disable it if you have problem booting or installing Linux.
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dieymir |
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Posts: 3 (02/02/04 16:54:51) |
You must use kernel version 2.4.22/2.6.0 or higher.
I have it working in Slackware 9.1 with custom compiled kernel 2.6.0 and you must enable ACPI support to make it work fine. Hope this helps. |
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zero0w |
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Posts: 30 (02/03/04 01:19:22) |
In case if this is not mistaken this is APIC, not ACPI.
Anyway when I upgrade to 2.6 later I will try again, for now I am disabling APIC. |
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